What caused chip scales ?

[Hendri]

What caused chip scales ?

i think pH too low can cause chip scales too :thinking:

[Principal]

IMHO chip scale is normally the working condition is not good, and PH is one of the caused..always keep the water clean and in good condition...this problem will nvr happen..:teeth_smile:

[REDCLOUD]

What caused chip scales ?

i think pH too low can cause chip scales too :thinking:

at what level do you think is too low. M.Hendri?

[kkchee]

My new xb (7") also have chip scales, very ugly. When I checked the ph, it was about 5.5 then. Now managed to bring up the ph to 6.5 with cc.

Really need expert to explain why it happened so easily because I do not see it in RTG or Red.

[arasta]

what do u guys think the level of low pH that cause chip scale ?
Thanks

[REDCLOUD]

what do u guys think the level of low pH that cause chip scale ?
Thanks


Sorry I don't know. Waiting for answer as well :)

[OutdoorXplorer]

I would say bad water parameters can also cause chip scales.

[master chief]

hi all:003:
good topic!me still lookin 4answer till 2day n maybe 2morrow also....mine too have that but is it due to i am a heavy user of blackwater aka k-leaves aka indian almond leaves n lots of coral chips?cause i just recently re-vamp my filteration by cutting down on cc n blackwater n also now i do my water change once a month as used to do it once a week n seem that my arow chipped scale recovering without plucking the scales....could it be due to too many k-leaves which resulted in 'acidic' water thus contributing to chip scales.....
btw-mine now only 1 arow in each tank n no tankmates...

[REDCLOUD]

hi all:003:
good topic!me still lookin 4answer till 2day n maybe 2morrow also....mine too have that but is it due to i am a heavy user of blackwater aka k-leaves aka indian almond leaves n lots of coral chips?cause i just recently re-vamp my filteration by cutting down on cc n blackwater n also now i do my water change once a month as used to do it once a week n seem that my arow chipped scale recovering without plucking the scales....could it be due to too many k-leaves which resulted in 'acidic' water thus contributing to chip scales.....
btw-mine now only 1 arow in each tank n no tankmates...


U actually pluck out the scales or just a figure of speech?:surprise:

If you really remove them how did you do it?:what:

[Hendri]

what do u guys think the level of low pH that cause chip scale ?
Thanks

it happened to me before when i put peat inside the filters.. pH drop to 5.5 for sometimes and i saw some chip scales...

[REDCLOUD]

it happened to me before when i put peat inside the filters.. pH drop to 5.5 for sometimes and i saw some chip scales...

Boss how was your day? :011:

Can I know if your know that is. What is the pH of the Kampus river? The Origin of reds :)

[master chief]

U actually pluck out the scales or just a figure of speech?:surprise:

If you really remove them how did you do it?:what:

hi bro:003:
for some....they do pluck out the scales by bagging the arows n put transmore n make the arows sleep...after that...they take out the arows n using sterilized clippers n carefully pluck out the chipped scales..after done..they transfered backed the arows in the main tank n place it under an air stone to make it wake up...BUT for me i never done that procedure b4(but my friends did)as i will try n do it by watching my water parameters 1st....n let it recover on its own...so far so good for me....

[GrandePunto]

hi bro:003:
for some....they do pluck out the scales by bagging the arows n put transmore n make the arows sleep...after that...they take out the arows n using sterilized clippers n carefully pluck out the chipped scales..after done..they transfered backed the arows in the main tank n place it under an air stone to make it wake up...BUT for me i never done that procedure b4(but my friends did)as i will try n do it by watching my water parameters 1st....n let it recover on its own...so far so good for me....i oso do it b4

[REDCLOUD]

hi bro:003:
for some....they do pluck out the scales by bagging the arows n put transmore n make the arows sleep...after that...they take out the arows n using sterilized clippers n carefully pluck out the chipped scales..after done..they transfered backed the arows in the main tank n place it under an air stone to make it wake up...BUT for me i never done that procedure b4(but my friends did)as i will try n do it by watching my water parameters 1st....n let it recover on its own...so far so good for me....

Thanks for the reply :)

[Derrick81]

hi all:003:
good topic!me still lookin 4answer till 2day n maybe 2morrow also....mine too have that but is it due to i am a heavy user of blackwater aka k-leaves aka indian almond leaves n lots of coral chips?cause i just recently re-vamp my filteration by cutting down on cc n blackwater n also now i do my water change once a month as used to do it once a week n seem that my arow chipped scale recovering without plucking the scales....could it be due to too many k-leaves which resulted in 'acidic' water thus contributing to chip scales.....
btw-mine now only 1 arow in each tank n no tankmates...

Hi Bros,

I have an xperienced to share. My X-back was once attcked by terrible "CHIP SCALES". 3rd to 5th level were all damaged. I then proceed to change my filtration system in stages to minimised affecting the cultivated bacteria. I tested the water chemistry every week and also doing 20% water change every day. This efforts continued for many months till it recovered. During the process, I didnt stopped feeding. Amazingly, the efforts paid off. The scales has recovered fully.

My observation:
Beginning I started the process with the electronic PH meter shown 5.8. It indicated low PH with possibly over loading of bio-load in the filtration. Also, water chemistry, the result from testing shown ammonia and nitrite is 0 ppm. But the nitrate is high, varied between 40 - 60 ppm. Slowly, with new fresh water added into the main tank, the presence of nitrate level has gone down. The cycle continued till I begin to see sign of newly development of scale formation.

My opinion, the attacked could be the presence of external bacteria in the water which leading to the attacked of scales. Thus, with my naked eyed, I didnt felt anything. However, thinking back, before the scales was badly damage and deteriorate at speedy rate. I remembered seeing my fish rubbing itself occasionally against the glass. That could be the hints to the development of bad bacteria multiplying in water expotentially. Hencefore, be discipline to carry out water change and the combination of mechanical and chemical filtration is vital to the water management. Any one of the link is missing, it could spell disaster! The only solution to combat the attacked is to ensure the management of water is in good conditioned. Thus, the fish will have in own immuse system to fight against parasites or bacteria intruder.

[AZRUL]

Hi Bros,

I have an xperienced to share. My X-back was once attcked by terrible "CHIP SCALES". 3rd to 5th level were all damaged. I then proceed to change my filtration system in stages to minimised affecting the cultivated bacteria. I tested the water chemistry every week and also doing 20% water change every day. This efforts continued for many months till it recovered. During the process, I didnt stopped feeding. Amazingly, the efforts paid off. The scales has recovered fully.

My observation:
Beginning I started the process with the electronic PH meter shown 5.8. It indicated low PH with possibly over loading of bio-load in the filtration. Also, water chemistry, the result from testing shown ammonia and nitrite is 0 ppm. But the nitrate is high, varied between 40 - 60 ppm. Slowly, with new fresh water added into the main tank, the presence of nitrate level has gone down. The cycle continued till I begin to see sign of newly development of scale formation.

My opinion, the attacked could be the presence of external bacteria in the water which leading to the attacked of scales. Thus, with my naked eyed, I didnt felt anything. However, thinking back, before the scales was badly damage and deteriorate at speedy rate. I remembered seeing my fish rubbing itself occasionally against the glass. That could be the hints to the development of bad bacteria multiplying in water expotentially. Hencefore, be discipline to carry out water change and the combination of mechanical and chemical filtration is vital to the water management. Any one of the link is missing, it could spell disaster! The only solution to combat the attacked is to ensure the management of water is in good conditioned. Thus, the fish will have in own immuse system to fight against parasites or bacteria intruder.
Thanks for sharing! :up:

[Derrick81]

Thanks for sharing! :up:

Thank you bro.

[Arowana007]

Thats a good sharing.TQVM

[azmiseri]

Thank for the info bro's.

[bbsing]

Hi boss:
I think growth of scale reflects somehow the health status of the fish;
Like growth of hair or bones in humans, what do we need for healthy growth?
Bone growth needs calcium, vitamin D; growth of hair...trace elements.
The key to healthy growth is good food with the essential nutrients and enough exercises, psychologically happy as well.
For fishes:
good food...maybe calcium and phosphorus riched stuff
exercise......spacious tank or wave maker to artificially create a false sense of space for them to swim, good water condition
pschologically happy.......who will be happy living alone.....companions
I think we can easily miss all the important things above if we just too focus on pH alone

[AZRUL]

Hi boss:
I think growth of scale reflects somehow the health status of the fish;
Like growth of hair or bones in humans, what do we need for healthy growth?
Bone growth needs calcium, vitamin D; growth of hair...trace elements.
The key to healthy growth is good food with the essential nutrients and enough exercises, psychologically happy as well.
For fishes:
good food...maybe calcium and phosphorus riched stuff
exercise......spacious tank or wave maker to artificially create a false sense of space for them to swim, good water condition
pschologically happy.......who will be happy living alone.....companions
I think we can easily miss all the important things above if we just too focus on pH alone
Good idea too

[Derrick81]

Hi Bros,

I have an xperienced to share. My X-back was once attcked by terrible "CHIP SCALES". 3rd to 5th level were all damaged. I then proceed to change my filtration system in stages to minimised affecting the cultivated bacteria. I tested the water chemistry every week and also doing 20% water change every day. This efforts continued for many months till it recovered. During the process, I didnt stopped feeding. Amazingly, the efforts paid off. The scales has recovered fully.

My observation:
Beginning I started the process with the electronic PH meter shown 5.8. It indicated low PH with possibly over loading of bio-load in the filtration. Also, water chemistry, the result from testing shown ammonia and nitrite is 0 ppm. But the nitrate is high, varied between 40 - 60 ppm. Slowly, with new fresh water added into the main tank, the presence of nitrate level has gone down. The cycle continued till I begin to see sign of newly development of scale formation.

My opinion, the attacked could be the presence of external bacteria in the water which leading to the attacked of scales. Thus, with my naked eyed, I didnt felt anything. However, thinking back, before the scales was badly damage and deteriorate at speedy rate. I remembered seeing my fish rubbing itself occasionally against the glass. That could be the hints to the development of bad bacteria multiplying in water expotentially. Hencefore, be discipline to carry out water change and the combination of mechanical and chemical filtration is vital to the water management. Any one of the link is missing, it could spell disaster! The only solution to combat the attacked is to ensure the management of water is in good conditioned. Thus, the fish will have in own immuse system to fight against parasites or bacteria intruder.

Update.

Previous xb fully recover. Conclusion: WC, remove any dead matter left in tank to mimimise bio over loaded. Place activated carbon to remove dissolved organic compound n ensure water always maintain high level of dissolved oxygen. If aro start rubbing itelf against the glass tank, ensure above measures is carry out. Also, can consider installing ozone to kill parasite or bacteria within water.

[AZRUL]

Nice update bro..this update will help others alot :)

[Derrick81]

Nice update bro..this update will help others alot :)

thk u bro

[bbsing]

i oso do it b4

Is it like this which I did Jan this year?.....I hope these pics tell a tale-tell story:

[aropunk]

Is it like this which I did Jan this year?.....I hope these pics tell a tale-tell story:


thanks for sharing...nice pics:up: